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My first eight years of education, and so far, my only “formal” education has been in an Amish parochial school. How quaint to have been educated in a small one-room Amish schoolhouse with about a dozen other students, you might effuse excitedly. Well screw you! Amish parochial school stunted my intellectual growth and that pisses me off.
When I was a young Amish boy, perhaps eight or nine years old, I was fascinated with the night sky. I looked to the stars and I marveled when comet Hale-Bopp appeared in 1997. I dreamed of becoming an astronomer or an astronaut but of course I knew that I would never become either of those–I was Amish. Sometimes I wished my parents were normal so that my dreams would have a fighting chance of becoming reality.
My Dad, who was a great father despite all the religious crap, gave me one of those little rotating star charts one Christmas. With a cheap pair of binoculars and that star chart, I spent many enjoyable evenings outside, identifying constellations and writing notes about individual stars and planets. I read many astronomy books and taught myself ‘stargazing’ until I was able to find most specific visible stars, several of the brighter nebulas, and of course the Andromeda galaxy and the visible planets.
Academically, I did well in the Amish parochial school compared to the other students. I found the work easy and would work ahead on my material because I found it fun. My Amish teacher didn’t find that amusing and warned me several times not to work ahead of the other students. One day she had enough of it and spanked my offending hand with a ruler. That day I learned that it was important not to take initiative and not to do more than is asked of me.
I was always the nerd in school. As soon as I had an individual lesson finished I would go to the small library along one wall and grab several books to read. Often during my schoolwork I would think of some subject (e.g. radio astronomy) that fascinated me and upon completion of my schoolwork, I would go to the bookshelf and select the “R” encyclopedia. After reading the entry I would go back and select several more encyclopedias so I could read related subjects or more in-depth entries. This behavior was of course not normal and the other Amish students, many of whom had nothing but religious books at home and didn’t particularly like reading, would mock me for it. I became used to the word “bookworm” being used like most people would use “child rapist”.
Many of the Amish in our community liked to hunt. The men were quite competitive about it and always bragged about who shot the deer with the biggest antlers. I felt compassion for the helpless animals and told my fellow classmates that I would never harm an animal. I quickly became used to the word “environmentalist” being used like most people would use “child rapist”. Of course I didn’t like being mocked and after many hours of heart-wrenching rumination, I decided that I would show them and would become a better hunter than any of them. Years later, I actually did.
One day while reading through our encyclopedia set at home, I learned that Jupiter had quite a few moons. I was amazed by this knowledge as I had only been aware of one moon up to that point. Some weeks later I mentioned this fact in passing to my fellow classmates. They informed me none too politely that there is only one moon. It didn’t take long for me to get used to “stargazer” being used like most people would use “child rapist”.
That evening I told my Dad what had happened when I tried to enlighten my classmates. My Dad told me gently that he believed me that Jupiter had more moons and told me that the other students just didn’t know any better. It wasn’t very consoling, I wanted my friends to like me, not my Dad. To me, the concept of intellectual superiority was alien. I was told that I was “good at school” and “good with numbers”. Nobody told me that I was smart. Nobody helped me understand why I was so different or how my weirdness would help me later in life.
I stopped gazing up at the night sky and I put away my star charts and astronomy books, thinking wrongly that it was something that only weird people do. I stopped reading so much, tried harder to fit in, and withdrew into myself, intellectually. To this day I would rather sit silent than correct, even a friend, a factual error that he or she has made. It is a tactic I learned in Amish school to appear normal.
I can’t help but think that if my parents had been a normal family and had provided me with the education that I needed and desired, I would be doing great things by now. I like the idea of freedom when it comes to the educational system. I fear that if primary education is restricted to only state-run or heavily regulated schools, we could end up with a propaganda problem down the road. But Christ! Being intellectually stunted in a religious school just doesn’t feel fair to me.
Many years after leaving the Amish, I discovered a webpage with an experimental high-range I.Q. test designed by a psychologist and research scientist. I decided to try the test and after working through the number sequence problems, I submitted my answers. A day or so later, I received my score report. According to the associated statistical report for that test my score equates (at least theoretically) to an I.Q. a little higher than 160 (s.d. 16). To the ***holes who mocked me in Amish school–take that! Now if only I could get over it.
25% of Amish kids leave for good during Rumschpringa. For people with average intelligence and lower, the Amish are alright. Personally, I thank the Amish for keeping the Pennsylvania Dutch language going. My people were so concerned with what the English might say, that we quit teaching it (Pa Dutch) to our kids.
But some folks need freedom or they will DIE! I don’t care what the religion is, freedom is better. I am religious only because I’m old and it offers the hope of eternal life. I doubt it, but who knows…?
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 16:41:28 +0000 To: johnnydietrich@hotmail.com
I don’t know where you get that statistic but it doesn’t sound accurate to me. From personal knowledge I would estimate the number of youth that permanently leave the Amish to more like 2%.
For some, religion is hope. For others, it is a prison. There’s also another class (I’m thinking of an Amish friend of mine) that questions the truth of religion but stays with it because, for lack of a better way of putting it, life is a spiritual experience to him.
Religion actually only promises eternal life to the loving and true, and there are certainly other roads to eternal life. I, for instance, do not associate with any particular religion and possess eternal life. It’s as simple as believing in God but not man.
I am not amish, but I live here in amish country (married, career woman (geologist) who would rather have cats than kids, image what amish people think of me! HAHA). I just to tell you that there are options! You can be anything you want to be even an astronomer! Get a GED, go to college, graduate, change your name if that would help, BE THE PERSON YOU WANT TO BE!
Thank you so much for your words of encouragement! Since leaving the Amish I have received my high school diploma and have taken the SAT. Now I’m saving up money for college.
Maybe I can be an astronomer yet…
Remember, you don’t need a high SAT to have a high IQ. I scored 2100 on the SAT and have tested about as high as you on credible IQ tests. And there are plenty of sites like arxiv.org that allow scientific publications if you can’t afford college.
Look into student loans and scholarships so you can start your college education sooner than if you saved for years. I was 53 when I went back to college for a 2nd degree and there is financial help out there that you might qualify for; in fact, I paid only for my pens, pencils, paper and computer ink. My tuition and books were paid for by a state program for laid off employees in the aerospace industry after 9/11. In researching my financial options, I learned there are programs that cover just about everyone and many do not expect to be paid back and the ones that do have low interest rate loans.
I am not an atheist but I do strongly believe in the right to believe as you wish so long as you do no harm to others. Frankly, I find religions that required strict adherence to outmoded rules very harmful in they do not allow their followers to question and explore. Each of us must find out on path; religions that require you to follow the path of another is just trying to control for the sake of power. How sad many are so insecure in their beliefs they must push people into a “one size fits all” mentality.
Good luck with your education. You should try writing a book about your religious experiences; I am sure it would be well received in the literary world.
Shoshana
Thanks for the encouraging words, Shoshana! I will definitely look into financial aid programs to get into college.
I may indeed write a book someday. This blog is a way for me to record my thoughts and experiences and to help me recall instances from my past that I have almost forgotten. Once I feel that I have completed this documentation, I will likely distill it into book form.
I certainly hope you are finally realizing your dream of engaging in higher learning. With a mind like yours, you can still become an astronomer, or make a difference in your world in whatever way you choose. If this world is really all there is, then all the more reason to leave a legacy for future generations. Please don’t let the Amish restrictions waste yet another intelligent mind.
I finally came over to visit your site after seeing visitors linking to my blog from yours. What a compelling story. Thanks for the link!
Saloma
Thanks for your kind words Saloma! My biggest gripe with the Amish is the lack of education. There are a lot of smart Amish kids (just like there are in any culture), but without education their life isn’t going to be nearly as fulfilling as it could be. I don’t think it’s fair to them.
I have enjoyed reading your blog posts and one of these days I’m going to buy your book, too!
That is my biggest gripe, too! I always say at my book talks (115 so far) that if there is one thing I could change about Amish culture, it would be that they extend their education. I think so much would come of that… including their beliefs about genetics. They are on a collision course with their own concentrated genes, and they refuse to see it.
More education would also let the Amish young people realize they can make a conscious choice about whether to stay or leave. And it would help those who stay to be more competitive in the marketplace, given so many Amish families are no longer farming.
It took me all these years to realize that the limit on education is not even a rule in the Amish church… it is just a given. If it was a rule, it could be debated. If it’s a given, it’s not even up for discussion.
Your writing is very good and your thinking is so clear. If you aren’t already in college, make sure you pick one that will accommodate your intelligence. If you live near a college, you can always ask to sit in on a class, especially if you convey your story. You would need to ask the individual professors. Good luck with finding the right college. (If you want some help with that, send me an email). Having come from where you did, it will be the experience of a lifetime, I assure you!
Saloma
XAA: I understand your bitterness, but don’t assume things might have been much different in an “english” school setting. I didn’t get in trouble for talking; I got in trouble for reading ahead! Plus I had an older sister and I always wanted to know what she was learning, so I ended up doing her homework by the time I got to that grade, it was all old news. There were no gifted programs in my town so I got pretty bored.
The people in my working class town didn’t value education. They say things like, “You don’t need book smarts, you need street smarts (or common sense),” as if it’s impossible to have both.
When I was in 8th grade, my mother was called into a parent-teacher conference, which she ignored a few times until the administration insisted. They wanted to tell her that I had the highest IQ in the school. She laughed it off and never mentioned it again. She told me I couldn’t go to college so just put it out of my mind.
Although it took me several tries and a lot more than 4 years, eventually I put myself through college. Now I’m over 50 and back in school for my master’s in a totally different subject. I love school, but I don’t recommend doing it my way. I would have enjoyed it much more if I had done it all when I was young.
You’re still young. Go to school NOW while you can still fit in, even though you probably think you don’t. Start at a community college if you don’t have much money, and keep your grades up and involve yourself in extracurricular stuff, internships and undergraduate research. Who knows, maybe you could transfer to Harvard. Since you like astronomy, the sky’s the limit! (LIttle nerd joke there.)
You will never regret getting a degree (just don’t borrow too much) but you will probably always regret not getting one.
How did you do on your SAT, btw?
Thanks for your thoughts, Linda. Now I know that being held back in school is not unique to the Amish. I commend you for going back to college to get your Master’s.
I had somewhat similar “being held back” experiences in my “English” public schools. From getting into trouble for “not paying attention” while a fellow student was struggling to read a sentence when I had finished the page, to getting an F for doing an oil painting in art class instead of the assigned work, which usually consisted of stuff I had done years before.
I also ended up getting a GED, taking a long time to get through college, but I did it, and I think because of that I value a “mere” Associate’s degree all the more.
I’m really enjoying this blog. While I’m somewhat familiar with the Amish, (growing up in the rural MidWest and all,) it is very informative! I left the mainstream protestantism I grew up with for paganism, and I have many the facepalm moment when I get told by my Evangelical relatives’ friends that my secular education has steered me wrong in matters of psychology and science. Ironically, I’m pretty sure they think I’m an atheist.
“I think so much would come of that… including their beliefs about genetics. They are on a collision course with their own concentrated genes, and they refuse to see it.”
Sects are ultimately self-defeating. You can create an insular haven for yourself but if you are unable to reproduce you are doomed to disappear.
I’m absolutely in love with your blog! I have always been curious about the Amish and Mennonite lifestyle and religion(s?). Reading your blog has spiked my interest some more.
We’re kind of alike, oddly. In school, I was the nerd. I was never seen WITHOUT a book, made excellent grades and continued to educate myself via Internet, books and movies. Though, I never took it as a bad thing. I more or less “flaunted” how smart I was. (Well… Still do, actually!)
I hope you can get into college and become and astronomer. Keep writing this blog, I love reading it! I wish more people were so eager to learn and educate themselves.
– Landry W. ❤
Xoxo.
Thank you, Landry!
Fascinating intro to your story, thank you. And thank you for this website. I have long been fascinated by, and inspired by, the Amish. I tend to glorify a ‘simpler life,’ but I see from your experiences that the limitations of the restrictive life are real and profound. You’re right, in that limiting education, and demonizing technology, is stifling– I can’t imagine how it must have felt to have been a bright soul like you, ostracized for possessing our greatest “God-given” gifts– higher thought, intellectual curiosity, awe of the world.
I completely agree with the others: It is never too late to get an education. And your childhood and life experiences will only make you richer. The human mind is plastic, resilient; you will soon be superseding your peers from the ‘normal’ world who had all the education entitlements of which you were deprived. And your children, should you have them one day, will be so lucky to have a parent who will nurture their minds.
Keep on keeping on…. You will be an astronomer!
P.S. Some quotes to remember along your journey:
“Wisdom is not a product of schooling but of the lifelong attempt to acquire it.”
– Albert Einstein
“Genius is 1% talent and 99% percent hard work.”
– Albert Einstein
“Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.”
– Albert Einstein
“Imagination is everything. It is the preview of life’s coming attractions.”
– Albert Einstein
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Saloma
Thank you, Saloma! I might post about the ADSF in the next couple days or so.
Oh, the link: http://adsfund.blogspot.com/2013/02/scholarships.html. Duh!
And think about your own eligibility! This could be the road to becoming your future self… an astronomer, perhaps?
Thanks for helping to spread the word!
Saloma
Thank you! You and Emma both have been very encouraging. I want to formally enroll this year but it depends on several other factors. If I can’t enroll full-time, I want to start taking individual courses at least.
Your early school experience is not limited to Amish schools. I had the same experience in an “English” school. Public school is more about teaching kids how to conform to cultural standards than it is teaching them other knowledge. Many smart people supplement their schooling with extra reading. Other kids who don’t like school as much are universally unkind to the smart kids. What I am trying to say is that you did not miss out on as much as you think you did. Another thing-, you can go to a community college for your first 2 years before transferring to a 4 year school. Not only does this cost much less, but they have tutoring and makeup classes to cover any gaps you may have. California and Texas are 2 places I have gone to community colleges- California is probably the least expensive. I am so glad other people have given you helpful tips on school. There are some invaluable things you learned in the Amish community many kids don’t get, like how to work, how to use your hands for something besides texting,, how to be nice., how to respect your family etc and these will serve you your whole life. Thank you for what you’ve said about the TV shows. I like Amish Out of Order because those kids are obviously good kids and likeable, while Breaking Amish is about little brats. Hey- every community has malcontents. Good luck to you.
Thanks! That’s good advice. I actually am enrolled in community college with plans to transfer to a four-year university. That’s largely why I haven’t been spending more time on this blog–busy, busy. I enrolled in college after being encouraged on here by people like you. I’m loving it, so far.
I’m happy for you. I’m sure you’re taking advantage of the counseling services to help plan your next academic move. Sometimes they have adult education that is inexpensive, about various things- like stargazing or whatever- just for fun. If a subject is hard, don’t worry- smart people can’t know everything. Just keep plugging away.You probably appreciate college more than many people- glad you love it.
Your story is my story, down to reading the encyclopedias (they had the dinosaur section cut out) and completing school work way in advance. I didnt grow up Amish, my parents / family are Joe Wenger Mennonite (Pennsylvania). Not sure where you are from but you probably know that its not that much different. Same parochial school etc. My parents wouldnt let me continue at the English High school when I finished voc school (PA allows 3hr vocational school after 8th grade, its a joke, you are really just working on your Dads farm). My Dad burned any of my radios he found 🙂 and whipped me for having them! It didnt really work, I’m an electronics engineer now with several degrees. I too was angry that I got ripped off by a poor education, even considered a lawsuit against the state of PA, but I learned at Navy bootcamp that i was just as prepared for life as any of the other kids. In fact I was better off. Intelligence is more important than education.
Ringler, is that you!? This is Matt B. from the EZ days. If this is the Ringler I think it is you may recall asking me if I could help you get your driver’s license one evening at Green Dragon. If that rings a bell–brother, I have wondered for years what became of you. Nobody I asked seemed to know. Congrats on the degrees (even if you’re not the right guy!) If you know who I am shoot me an email and let’s catch up! If not–just disregard 🙂